Wednesday, February 13, 2008

Hoyt Street Residents Organizing to Block Bar

That oyster bar planned by Jim Mamary on Hoyt Street is not wining friends among the neighbors. They've now organized as the Hoyt Street Alliance and are distributing fliers around the neighborhood asking residents to oppose the opening of the establishment on a residential street. They're urging people not to sign a petition in favor of the oyster bar that's at Bagels by the Park on Smith Street. Our Carroll Gardens Correspondent got one of the fliers last night and reports:
The group says that Hoyt Street is zoned for residential without a commercial overlay. Mamary says this is not the case etc. These neighbors are really upset over the bar and I feel sorry for them. They are right across the street from the proposed bar and really want to maintain the quiet, neighborhood character for their kids and retirement years.
Here's a bit from the flier:
...we are a small block of only ten houses, all owner-occupied. There are babies, school age children and people getting ready to retire. All of us have day jobs, many of us get our children off to school even before we go to work.

The current wine bar already on the corner of Union and Hoyt affects the quiet nature of these streets. Every evening there are smokers outside the wine bar and car services honking their horns at midnight. This bar proposes to expand around the corner and the combination of both bars will occupy almost 50% of the block on the east side of the street. There are only 20 people living in the 6 houses on this side, but the proposed new bar on its own will hold 36 people. Think about an extra 36 people coming and going right next door or a few doors away from your house, at night or at 2.00a.m., smoking and talking on cell phones on your stoop.

Bagels By The Park currently has a petition drive asking your support for their bar. We are asking you not to sign it. Instead, please help us stop the bar.
The group asks for emails opposing the bar to be sent to seagarden295 (at) msn (dot) com. It is also urging calls to local officials. Pardon Me For Asking has the full text of the flier along with numbers of the elected officials.



Anonymous Dalton said...

Is there a link anywhere to the petition in favor of the new oyster bar? I'm a huge fan of Black Mountain and I'm all for it.

11:08 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Excellent. Thanks Bob and PMFA for the flyer details that I was too tired to transcribe earlier...

11:37 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Dalton, what is your block like? Do you live on a residential block? If you do would you be in favor of a full bar with food? I doubt it.....

6:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dalton lives in Jersey. :)

9:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As a local resident (Butler between Smith and Hoyt) I don't see the problem with an Oyster Bar in this location. It's not as if Oyster Bars are known for a rowdy crowd.

The wine bar, IMHO, is a welcome addition to Union Street. My wife walks from a job in Park Slope home one day a week and she's commented about how much better it is that there are people around on that corner now.


11:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If they are getting ready to retire, shouldn't they be more worried about finding a condo in Florida than trying to maintain an air of suburbia in NEW YORK CITY?!

It's a WINE BAR! It's not a disco. Will you be voting down the coffee shop next because the block smells like coffee? What is HAPPENING HERE????

12:40 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your wife may walk past the bar. That's not the same as living next to it 7 days a week.
Liquor licenses should not be given out on blocks zoned residential.
If that where the case, we could all open one.

6:59 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A mix of residential and commercial including bars and restaurants, is necessary to make city streets safer. Restaurants ensure there will be foot traffic in the evening when a block might otherwise be desolate.

8:55 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

These jerks are all for it because itis type of establishnment for their yuppie kind. But if it were McDonalds or Subway they'd be 1st on list against it.
This proliferation of restaurant/bars is what is driving small businesses that cater to all the needs of the community out.
Can only afford rents if sell alcohol are corporate chain store.

9:47 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The proposed new bar is a LIQUOR bar, not a wine bar and the combined frontage on Hoyt will be 92 feet, almost half the block. Think about a bar frontage on any of your blocks of 92 feet. It would be a mega bar.
Don't be fooled by Oyster bar, it's a full liquor bar and will be open till at least 2.00a.m, and will hold 36 people. How would you like that on Butler Street?

5:31 PM  
Blogger dalton said...

I live on Hoyt Street about two blocks down from the new place. There's a travel agency on the corner, and it used to be a bar. It's only very recently that we've all gotten used to this "residential" neighborhood, there used to be some sort of business on just about every corner on this street. As I mentioned in a comment on the Brooklyn Paper website, it's not like we're going to be living on Smith Street all of the sudden. Take a look at Henry Street, there is a nice mix of residential and newly opening businesses there and I would have no problem with that happening around here.

11:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Move to the suburbs... period. This is NYC.. people are free to open a business wherever they want if they abide by the law. If you don't like it.. then move.
If they are doing something illegal once they open, then the city will shut them down. It's not right for you to try and stop them from opening because you "think" that it will be disruptive. I am so sick of people like you complaining about every little change in your neigborhood. That's life (especially in this city)...get used to it and find something more worthwhile to freak out about. I have no sympathy for you whiny babies.

12:55 PM  
Blogger Benjamin said...

To all you cool guys above.......

As a resident on floor two of 303 Hoyt St., we'd like to voice our opinion that this bar would be completely destructive to the quality of life of this neighborhood. We've posted this on a couple of forums already, but we need to spread the word.

The wine bar on the corner of Hoyt and Union (directly below us), is a complete nuisance. We are constantly battling with them about noise, they continually stay open, or at least operating, until 2 or 3AM in the morning, with music blasting, while they're supposed to close at 12. Our 2 year old can not sleep, and is sometimes forced to stay awake all night, until 3 or 4AM when he finally gets enough quiet to sleep. This is completely unfair, and being that this new business will be under the same ownership, very telling of things to come.

The owner, James, continually ignores our complaints, doesn't return our calls, and apparently doesn't give a shit about what his employees are doing after the bar is closed. We've been physically threatened by bartenders after asking them to turn the music down, and this is after they've been blasting, and I mean BLASTING the Sex Pistols at 4am, and now we will be surrounded.

We are all for an urban environment, but this guy is trying to turn this block in to a 24 hour frat party. He has no control over his employees. Bars and restaurants are fine, and believe me, when we heard what they were opening below us, we were excited! In the hands of somebody like this, though, who has no regard for the surrounding residents (apart from a 3" by 3" sign on the gate, asking patrons to keep their voices down, yeah right), it'll be a complete clusterf**k.

I've lived in NYC for many many years. My last aparment was on Orchard St. in the LES, and I have NEVER dealt with anyone so crude as this. It is completely aggressive behavior, and worse than any place I've lived in this city.

Again, bars and restaurants are fine, but not this guys. Let's keep him out, so we can get someplace better instead.

Please help us in fighting this unwelcome addition to a quiet family street.

9:45 PM  

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